8gen?

na manau GT versijos kainos prasidejo tikrai ne nuo 95k LTL...

tikrai nuo 95 klt. kai savo variau i tokvila (patikrinimui pries pirkima) dar stovejo paskutinis t sportas uz 105 Klt , o kainorastyje gt plikas 95 klt.
turiu namuose kainorasti.

nu jo, tada tai tiesiog zveriskos kainos

berods Honda Civic TypeR nauja kainavo ~70k LTL (jei klystu, pataisykit)

mano svogeris paeme paskutini nauja type r is salono (klaipedoje) uz ~62klt, tiesa absoliuciai plika, net kondiskes nera.
p.s. nemanau kad mk.V ir mk. VI siuo atzvilgiu buvo geresnes , tokia matyt toyotos pozicija.

jei vertintume pinigu "verte" atgaline data, tai, manau, mk.5 ar mk.6 "kruciausios versijos" (ST185 ir ST205) kainavo "brangiau" nei mk.7 TS ar GT-S (atsizvelgiant i tuo metu buvusia "pinigu verte" - tikiuosi supratot, ka norejau pasakyt)

ir siaip jau, gen.7 tikruju Celikistu ( "purist'u" ) yra laikoma ne tiek Celica, kiek Paseo "transformacija"/tesiniu...

viena man istrigusi citata:

" ( ...) First of all, I have to say I don't see ANY offence, ANY, in saying that a T23 is more a Paseo evolution than a Celica: T23 are good cars... beatiful cars for some, bad cars for other.... even if Toyota called them Celica or Paseo.

Second, who REALLY knows the Celica history MUST admit that the T23 is not a Celica, and this is a fact. And I explain why:

- Celica was a "LUXURY coupe", ALWAYS:
I bought my 1992 ST185 RC for 32000 euros ( and that was 15 years ago );
I bought my 1995 ST205 for 40000 euros ( and that was 11 years ago ).
40000 euros of 11 years ago are around 60000 actual euros.
This is what a Celica was... a luxury coupe', VERY expensive and techie for the standard of those years, for 25 to 45 year's old man that wanted an EXOTIC car with high performance engines.

The T23 is definitely NOT a luxury or expensive coupe (sorry, hatchback in USA!), but an entry-level 25000 euros coupe, and its target is younger people 18/30 years old, like the Paseo.

- Toyota always had rally races in its mind when projecting T16 - T18 - t20, and I mean particular engine/suspension/chassis solutions, over-measured for a simple street use, but good for future rally use.

T23 has not rally races in its DNA.

- AND: T18 is clearly an evolution of the T16, it's evident to anyone.... more power, better chassis, better suspension and better brakes.

T20 is clearly an evolution of the T18, it's evident to anyone.... more power, better chassis, better suspension and better brakes.

And the T23? Can we say that T23 is AN EVOLUTION OF THE T20???

Are we joking or what?

T23 is a completely different car from the T20, and as many people said, the name "CELICA" was used on the T23 only for COMMERCIAL REASONS.

That's why the T23 is more a Paseo evolution, than a T20 evolution.

Like it or not, and without OFFENDING anyone.


1st gen rwd ( rally car LB2000GT - RA28 - 18R-GU engine - 130 cv )
2nd gen rwd ( rally car 2000GT-RALLY - RA45 - 18R-GEU engine - 135 cv )
3rd gen rwd ( rally car 1800GT-Turbo - TA63 - 3T-GTEU engine 160 cv )
4th gen fwd AND AWD ( rally car ST165 - 3S-GTE 185 cv)

PS: they changed from RWD to AWD for rally races reasons !

5th gen fwd AND AWD ( rally car ST185RC - 3S-GTE 225 cv )
6th gen fwd AND AWD ( rally car ST205 - 3S-GTE 255 cv )

7th gen only fwd - NO rally car - and for the first time engines with less power than previous gen... (...) "

p.s. T23 juzeriai, nieko asmenisko!

nu jo.... visai sunku ir kazka priespastatyti...

kiek zmoniu tiek nuomoniu. jei ferarius pasitrauks is f-1 visi sekantys modeliai taps fiato evoliucijom?

masinos atspindi juzeriu poreikius ir gamintojo
pasirinkta evoliucionavimo krypti. tad nieko keisto kad ekonomisku sporty looking car'u poreikis auga.

p.s. o del pinigu vertes tai manau ford T kainaves iki 1000 $ taip pat dabar butu prie brangiausiu masinu

aisku, kiekvienam savo
butu baisu, jei visiem patiktu vienodi automobiliai (ar moterys )

pinigu verte = piniginio vieneto perkamoji galia tam tikru laikotarpiu, t.y. manau, kad kokiais 1992 pirkt Celka ST185CS buvo salyginai "brangiau" nei Celka TS 2002

Labai teisingos mintys (apie evoliucija).
Economishki sporty looking carai - nesusipratimas kazkoks. Clarksonas per praeita TG laida pasake: automobilis sukurtas tam, kad su juo vaziuot aplink pasauli, o ne tam kad gamta saugot ar panasiai.
O jeigu apzvelgt paskutines tendencijas, beveik visi gamitojai pastebejo, kad rinkoje beveik nebeliko sport caru ir viens po kt pradejo kepti (nors dauguma ir nebuvo nustoje), tik toyota niekaip prabust negali.

leisiu sau idet dar viena citata (apie Tojotos evoliucija):

" (...)
#1 '50-60 jokiu sportiniu nebuvo - tik vizija gaminti patikimus auto
#2 '70-80 reklamos butinumas + USA rinkos itaka -> sporto pradzia
#3 '80-90 bendradarbiavimas su Lotus'u -> pirmas serijinis 16v variklis + pakabos/transmisijos research
#4 '90-00 "sunkioji" artilerija -> sportines IR patikimos masinos = sunkios, labai archaiskai pagamintos...
#5 '00-04 "new age" atsiprashant, shudas, kuris pragiveno tik kelerius metus... mr2, celica, supra - RIPped

Gaunasi taip, jog sprendziant is didziausios pasaulyje auto korporacijos politikos - geru "sporty" auto daugiau nenusimato... bus tiktai transporto priemones ir LABAI brangios, jau ne sporty, o sportines masinos... (...) "

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