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Sheikhas // ST-185 (Carlos Sainz 2.0t) // Ignalina // 2009-10-22 11:29:44 // Žinučių:6685
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Jei pradet zaist lego, tai geriau aplamai daryt 5S-GTE ir kolektoriu det custom arba nuo st215/245.
Sheikhas // ST-185 (Carlos Sainz 2.0t) // Ignalina // 2009-10-22 11:50:37 // Žinučių:6685
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Va radau visai nebloga pasakojima ta tema ;)
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m not sure about the later 5sfe, but i know for a fact that the earlier model 5s shared blocks with the 3s. i don't know if the later 5s had aluminum block. the only aluminum S series block i know of is the dual vvt-i 3s-ge beams. anyway, because they shared blocks, early blocks and heads are interchangable (1st and second gen 3s-gte's that i know of). you will want to use a 3s-gte block for this simple reason:

oil squirters

3sgte blocks came with oil squirters. 3sge blocks did not, 3sfe blocks did not, 5sfe blocks did not.

you can take your 3sgte block and it's beautiful oil squirters and drop in a 5sfe crank (if you want to use your 5s or 3s-ge block you can have oil squirters drilled in rather easily, but you really don't have to if you get a 3s-gte block). they are beefy, and they are strong, and they're the only way you're going to make 2.2L, so you're going to have to use the 5s crank. the 3s series has a bore of 86mm, where-as the 5s series has a bore of 87mm (how you make that other 100cc). so if you use your 3s pistons, you only get 2.1L. you aren't going to want to use your 5s pistons, though because they are cast, not forged. it would be a good idea to go with aftermarket pistons since you already have your block open. you are going to want to use 3s rods though, because 5s rods won't cut it, in order to do this you are going to need to have the crank journalled for these rods, though. if you can find some good aftermarket 5s rods so you don't need to journal the crank, more power to you, but i haven't been able to find them. you might as well go with eagle h-beam 3s rods because they are 30% lighter than normal 3s rods (and lighter is better).

since we are on it, you are going to want to use an st185 or sw20 head, because st165 heads take their own cams, and they only come in 1 aftermarket form with a 272 duration (from HKS), might be a little much for a daily driven car. while you're at it you can get 1zzfe shimless buckets (for the second / third gen head) for your spacing, and rev a little happier.

if you can REALLY afford it you need to get a st205 head (or late-model sw20), because they have larger ports and take the st185 cams.

just for reference, all the GE heads are the same for their generation, so you can grab a GE head and use it if you want to. if you are scrounging for parts the GE intake cam was a little more aggressive than the corresponding GTE intake cam (good to know for 1st gen heads). the exhaust cams are the same per generation.

you can use 3s-gte or 3s-ge intakes on these heads. the ge intake might be a good idea if you are piecing your motor together from scratch, because it intakes from the side, not the top. this is good for front mount intercoolers, and come pretty cheap. i believe you still need a tvis elimination plate for spacing purposes, though. if you can't get your hands on a 3s-ge intake (or have plans for bigger numbers than that), a 3s-gte intake will do just fine. get a 1st gen intake, because they have top mount injectors rather than side-mount.

you can also bolt any 3s-gte exhaust manifold to any 3s-g(t)e head. you might want to use the 2nd or 3rd gen exhaust for the dual inlet because your turbo options are a little better, though a 1st gen exhaust manifold will let you use a ma70 (mk III supra) ct26, which has a larger inducer/compressor and better flowing exhaust housing.

you will need to use a 6 bolt flywheel. i've only heard of people using the st165 one, i don't know if it differs from the 5s-fe one or not.

also, a good to know for you FWD guys, the sw20 LSD will work with celica FWD transmissions. in fact, this entire transmission will work with very little modification.

if you can spend any money on machine work have all the oil and coolant passages ground clean and have the passages around cylinder 3 bored a little bit, becaue this cylinder tends to get a little hot. it also ends up running a little lean because of the make up of the injector rail and intake. you can port the head a little bit, but just polish it smooth. you really don't need to do any extravagant porting or grinding to anything, as the stock valves and porting are generally just fine.

use all ARP fastennings. you'll thank yourself later. use a TTE stock-size metal head gasket, again, thank yourself later.

doing that, and upgrading your oil pump, and you will have a 5s-gte that will put out gobs of power. your limiting factors are going to be your turbo, exhaust, and intake, but your block will make 425HP reliably (toyota reliably, not pontiac reliably).
bubu // // 2009-10-22 12:28:27 // Žinučių:1854
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Ai nu yra šimtai kelių ir visi jie teisingi jei pasiekia ta pati rezultata.
Miinde // mr2 // Vilnius // 2009-10-29 08:39:27 // Žinučių:64
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tai vitali ka dedam turbina ar kompresoriu ? ;)
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NosTeaM // ZZT-231 (GT-S 1.8) // Vln // 2009-10-29 09:08:54 // Žinučių:3170
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jei deti tai jau rimta dalyka,kuris atseina nemazus pinigus,ka cia zaist su niekais kazkokiais...suprantu kai zmones 400ag padaro is 150ag,tada kazkas jaucias,o cia bus mazai 250ag ir tada noresis dar daugiau,desi dar litus dwigubai ir nematysi galo kol nesprogs wariklis :) Toyotos taip pat kiek zn turi compresorius,pas Corolla Tsport eina kompresorinis wariklis :)
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PylX // ST-185 (GT-FOUR 2.0t) // Kaunas // 2009-10-29 09:11:41 // Žinučių:2849
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nu cia visiska pieva parasiai... 250ag 1000kg ir gerai suderinta pakaba, tai dar ilgai ir nobodziai galesi treniruotis kad suvaldytum ir vaziuotum optimaliai. o svaigt apie 400ag jei nekalbama apie max speed arba drag nebus jau toks esminis pranasumas. kas is too 400ag kai stabdzius naudosi 10x daugiau arba neisimsi posukio zodziu...

beto zinau kelis irmtus pvz kai auto galia yra speciai sumazinta nes paprasciausiai zmones supranta kad daugaiu suvaldyt negali arba apskritai yra problematiska.

NosTeaM parašė:
jei deti tai jau rimta dalyka,kuris atseina nemazus pinigus,ka cia zaist su niekais kazkokiais...suprantu kai zmones 400ag padaro is 150ag,tada kazkas jaucias,o cia bus mazai 250ag ir tada noresis dar daugiau,desi dar litus dwigubai ir nematysi galo kol nesprogs wariklis :) Toyotos taip pat kiek zn turi compresorius,pas Corolla Tsport eina kompresorinis wariklis :)
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zhigan_limon // MR2 TURBO rev5 // Vilnius // 2009-10-29 09:18:41 // Žinučių:1946
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teisingai pylx sako iki 350ag seip yra per akis. ir tai masina palieka jau labai sunkiai valdoma ir su 300. kalbant apie mr2. mano akim 300 optimaliausia
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bubu // // 2009-10-29 11:59:39 // Žinučių:1854
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Dar vienas niuansas, kad turba lengvesne :P
Vital222 // mr2 // Vilnius // 2009-10-29 20:35:08 // Žinučių:45
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As tai deciau normalu 3s-gte varikli su LSD deze ir daugiau nieko nedariciau,maksimum dar cipa ideciau.mano triperiukui pilnai uztektu.:)
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bubu // // 2009-10-29 21:06:46 // Žinučių:1854
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Matai jei dedi 3sgte varikli ir keli iki 300 arkliu tai vistiek reikia keisti vidurius, turba, kompa, tad nera didelio skirtumo tarp tu varikliu jei vistiek dauguma komponentu teks keisti.
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